Transcipt By Jon-Are Pedersen
14:24 minuter långt.
Caryl: … I hate to say it,
but he’s [The devil] is getting more and more cunning today, in the
way he is taking Christians into experiences, but the spiritual world
is very cunning in placing our confidence in those emotions. I was
raised the first 20 years of my life in India and saw Hinduism first
hand, I saw this experiences of when a guru or an enlightened master,
who is believed to be the conduit of what is called shaktipat, or the
power of being able to open up serpent-power or a euphoric feeling or
supernatural energy, to bring that into a person. He does that
through at touch, or a blow with his breath on the forehead which in
Hinduism is seen as the third eye.
I saw this a few months
ago done by a man, a very celebrity within Christianity, Todd Bentley
of the New Apostolic Reformation, who hundreds of thousands believe
to be a conduit for God, who came to this huge, great big meeting
where I went, where there was six thousand people, particularly to
five hundred pastors. And I was with one of them, representing their
Church, these five hundred pastors were actually invited by Todd
Bentley to come and have the impartation. These were men that was
going to go out to their churches, some of them had come from
Australia, some from New Zealand, they had come for an additional,
extra blessing from a man that they believed could impart the Holy
Spirit to them, so that they could go to their churches pass this
impartation on. This is not mentioned in the Bible. This type of
message of laying hands on someone so that a physical entity can come
in and do ministry, is part of occultism.
The Holy Spirit comes
according to His will and wills what He will, at His time, in order
to accomplish what God wants done. We cannot conjure up the presence
of God or consider ourselves to be some type of transmission center
by laying hands on someone to pass on a spiritual blessing, which
only comes through the initiation of the Holy Spirit. So, these
incredible occult nuances which are coming into the Church are coming
in because people do not understand the full character of God, the
work of God and even what you mentioned, with John in Revelation
within the presence of God, he didn’t initiate it. Paul didn’t
initiate it when he was taken up to the third Heaven, but Todd
Bentley and the new Apostles with this New Apostolic Reformation are
teaching us that we can initiate going into the presence of God. This
is what Harry Potter does through his portals. This is Wiccans do,
people that practice witchcraft, that at any given moment that we can
go through a portal. This was what I practiced as an occultist, as a
New Ager, that I could through a mind-technique through some type of
mental gymnastics get into the presence of the supernatural world.
Well of course I was. But in the Bible I am warned not to do that,
because that is associated with fallen spirits who in the Bible are
called demons, who will respond to our calling and our biddings, but
the ministers of God, the angels of God and the Holy Spirit, does not
respond, is not subject to my beckon call.
Man nr. 1: - Amen. I hope people are listening
to what you just said, especially about Todd Bentley, I’ve had
problem with him since day one. The Lord stilled my tongue until
January this year and took the silencer off, and I began to speak
about what I’ve seen, and I’m really offended and distressed that
he was at a group of five hundred pastors and some probably let him
lay his hands on them and who knows what profane fire.
Caryl: - I was there, I was there to
actually view it with my own eyes, because I knew, if I was going to
be on camera or on TV or films, they would say: Oh, you weren’t
there. How did you see it? I, not only was there, I actually... as he
walked past me I was kicked, not by anything physical, there was an
amazing impact in my stomach and in my being as he walked by. The
pain of it was pretty intense. The pastor and his wife that I was
with at the time, I mean, we all felt it. It was a demonic
manifestation that attempted to take the wind out of our very being.
But we watched pastors around us falling to the ground, grown men,
physically huge people just crumble, and Todd Bentley is a small
fellow. He is not tall as he perhaps may look on television but he’s
small and he just walked by. Sometimes he touched some of these men
or he blew on them, blew on their face or just had his hand only
about six to eight inches away from their faces or foreheads or that
area of the third eye, the energy center within occultism. He walked
very quickly by. There were security guards that were at each line
moving the fallen pastors to the back and encouraging other pastors
to come forth. It was a small room but, you know, they had to move
five hundred pastors through very quickly yet people that were
falling, laughing or crying all around the floor and had to move to
the side so that others could have the impartation. And it was done
in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, in the name of His Holy Spirit,
but one just had to see the manifestations, the fruit. Now, at the
time this is happeing, incredibly, not only did Todd Bentley give the
most powerful message from the stage about the Gospel and Jesus
Christ and preaching from the Bible, I mean, it was amazing hearing
how even the snake and the serpent knows the truth of the Word of
God. But at that time Todd Bentley was having an affair with another
woman, who he has subsequently made his wife, but while he was doing
all this and doing all the impartations, he was in adultery. Yet out
of his mouth came truth and out of his body came power, but have now
infiltrated into churches all around the world. My
heart goes out to people that wants an experience and thinks that
certain people have got power, but it’s not a good power, I mean, I
saw this same thing many, many years ago with BhagwanShree Rajneesh in Oregon, as he gave
shaktipat,
the very same thing that Todd Bentley did, this impartation, but
within Hinduism it’s called shaktipat, giving the initiation to the
disciples or the followers by placing a thumb or a finger on the
energy center of the forehead, or not even doing that, blowing or
just passing his hand over the ??? of the disciples of Bhagwan Shree
Rajneesh, who was an Indian Hindu, a guru
emerged in Hinduism, who is now passed away. Thousands of them took
over Oregon into a place called Antelope and he came and we filmed
that as he was doing shaktipat and all these years later I saw a man
who is esteemed in the Christian Church, doing the same thing. It was
disheartening. It was so sad for me to see the incredible deception
that people are putting themselves under. This is exactly the same
which as
the Bible said would happen in the last days. We weren’t/won't
going to have a revival. The Bible does NOT talk about a revival in
the last days, even though all these churches tell us that there are
revivals and awakenings going on. No, these revivals and awakenings
are following the wrong Jesus, the wrong Spirit, the wrong Gospel,
because we’re told in the Bible that it’s going to be an
apostasy, a falling away before the man of lawlessness comes. So,
this thing that is happening, this huge revival at/as something
called Christianity, the new emerging Christianity, supposedly, is
not a Biblical Christianity, but is trapping hundreds of thousands
who are falling for experiences and lying signs and wonders and
doctrines of demons.
Man nr. 2:- Now, I’ve gotta ask this
question because, I mean, the three of us here are definitely well
educated when it comes to the Bible and the supernatural and we
understand what the true presence of God is and the true anointing
and we know the voice of the Holy Spirit, and I don’t doubt that.
My concern or my problem with doing this series that we’ve done
over the week, with our show as well as the Bible studies, is that
you take some of the biggest names like Todd Bentley and you can take
Heidi Baker and the list can go down of that whole Kansas movement
and what they’re doing there with Mike Bickle, and when you listen
to them and you look at these guys, and I see them look at Kimmy
Clement, lets just loop everything in together, when you look at
these guys and you look at their... when they pray and their love and
their passion or whatever appears to be their love and their passion,
for reaching the lost or giving a message from the Lord, it’s so
hard to conceive that they are being deceived with all the years that
they have dedicated themselves to the Lord, dedicated to reading and
praying and caring to the needs of others, however on the flip-side,
when we go to a Church or you hear about people going to these
conferences and they’re blown away by the music and all the great
things that are happening there and you could feel that tangible
presence and goosebumps that are coming down your arm and that warmth
is filling you, and you have no other thought in your mind that it
gotta be the Holy Spirit that you’re feeling when these people go
to these things, but I’m hearing now what we’re talking about
that not true or maybe that’s not true for all cases but here’s
what’s my concern: That presence, let’s say, that false anointing
can that be so deceptive and so God-Like but yet be satanic in
nature. Has the enemy found a way to crack the anointing that’s so
powerful and feels just like the Holy Spirit, but from what I’m
listening to now, isn’t?
Caryl: - Of course, because we are
told that in the last days there will be doctrine of demons and
lying, both signs and wonders, and Matt. 24 Jesus said that along
with the signs at the times he only mentioned earthquakes once, he
mentioned famines once, wars once, but four times He mentioned
spiritual deception who would be coming as false teachers, false
Christs, with lying signs and wonders, as
false prophets, so, if
people are going to come in the name of Jesus Christ and Jesus warns
us that the similarities would be just like His. He never leaves us
without a weapon, and it so that our weapons of spiritual warfare are
not carnal and placed in the Word of God, so the stillness that we
need to be listening for is actually the Holy Spirit teaching us that
what we have just seen is a con or that I am being conned, just like,
and I hate to say this because I know some friends of mine are car
salesmen, but salesmen have the most wonderful ways of persuading one
to have something family doesn’t want. (-or can afford, yeah). And
it comes through such an art of manipulation. Now, the Word
manipulation is actually rooted in sorcery and sorcery and divination
are the same root-word. So when something comes with manipulation, as
Satan was able to do to Eve, one of the things that we are told, and
I don't think the churches preaches this enough, is that we need to
test the spirits.
The Holy Remnant
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